September/October 2004 Featured Stories
Truth vs. Falsehood

by Miriam Knight interviews Dr. David Hawkins

MK: I was so impressed with "Power vs. Force"- I thought it should be required reading for every university student and every politician. What are you working on now?


Dr. David Hawkins

DH: The fourth book in that series, "Truth vs. Falsehood", which will be released in October, 2004. It is the first time I have done a history; it is like an encyclopedia of Truth. It’s mind-boggling really. We investigate everything in society, current and past, and calibrate it all.

 

MK: For those who haven’t read any of your books, could you please describe the underlying premise of your work on consciousness?

DH: The underlying discovery is really that there’s an infinite field of consciousness which registers everything that occurs, anywhere in time or history. And the most important thing we’ve learned is how to tell truth from falsehood. We discovered that the level of relative truth can be calibrated on a scale. Using the field of consciousness as the absolute – everything can be calibrated as compared to that field. That gave us an opening to a world of knowledge with really very major implications and applications. People are applying it in diverse realms – spiritual and religious research, business, even science. They’re using consciousness calibration techniques to calibrate the level of truth moving in one direction versus another. And so you can tell before the experiment or project even starts, the likelihood of success.

The book I’m concluding now is the application of calibrating the level of truth of everything in society. All the great teachers, writers, movies, actors, NBC News, the New York Times…

 

MK: You are able to tell truth from falsehood. Is this based on kinesiology or muscle testing?

DH: Yes.

 

MK: Isn’t there an element of subjectivity when you press down on an arm?

DH: No, that’s a local phenomenon. The kinesiologic test operates in a non-linear domain, because you can hold a question in mind silently, so it is not in the ordinary realm of personal experience. The results will be the same as if I stated it verbally. Recently a Vermeer painting was in question – was it genuine or not. The experts puzzled over it, but with kinesiology you can tell in about two seconds. It either makes your arm go strong or it makes it go weak. It was genuine; it calibrates over 700.

 

MK: So can you use it for anything? For business decisions?

DH: Well it doesn’t work for self-interest, so you rephrase the questions and ask if something is in the highest good. You see, you are the steward of your own talents and assets and therefore you’re responsible to use them for the highest good. If you have a company, you have responsibility to others - to consumers and employees and to society in general, and you want to put out a positive energy in every way possible. So I always tell people: look, as stewards of your own assets, does this serve the highest good, and that way you can get an accurate answer.

 

MK: Is special training or sensitivity required?

DH: Well, not everybody can do it. First of all, the people doing it have to calibrate over 200, and the intention of their question has to be over 200. In other words you can’t use it for selfish reasons or to try and prove a point that you have a pre-conceived notion about. So you have to have an integrous motive; you really have to want to know the truth about something.

 

MK: Could you explain the scale?

DH: You calibrate truth on a scale of 1000, and that includes everything knowable in this domain, so bacteria – the first conscious organisms – calibrate at 1, and the highest level of consciousness that ever existed on the planet is that of the great Avatars – Buddha, Christ, Krishna, Zoroaster all calibrate at 1000. So the top level that man is capable of in this domain is 1000, and everything else is relatively true as compared to that.

So, for instance, people want to know who are integrous spiritual teachers, because there are a lot of false gurus out there. So we calibrated them, and gave the calibration level of their work. In the book we have a list of over a hundred that calibrated at 460 or over. So 460 is integrous truth and many of the most famous teachers calibrate in the high 400s.

 

MK: You note in your book that society has, for the first time, gone over the level of 200. Could you explain w hat that means?

DW: That’s the most significant event in human history. You calibrate the level of consciousness of mankind: at the time of the birth of Buddha it was about 90; at the time of the birth of Christ it was 100; from the Middle Ages through the 1800s it was at 190, and it stayed there for centuries, and then suddenly in the late 1980s at the time of the Harmonic Convergence, it suddenly went from 190 to 205. Then last October 14th (2003), again at the time of the Harmonic Concordance, it went from 205 to 207. That changes the whole paradigm for humanity, and you see the fallout – what falls out is that that which is non-integrous. When we were at 190 you could get away with non-integrity, which is the Old Boy way of doing business. And now at 205 or 207, you see Enron fall and Martha Stewart called on the carpet; so the new paradigm of success is integrity. Making money was sufficient during the early part of the last century through this century; success was money and fame, and all those things. And now the focus of society is integrity and what is the truth.

 

MK: Which would you say is the stronger motivation, seeking truth or reacting to fear?

DH: Well in America, the overall calibration is at 421 – the highest in the world. In our population, approximately 50% of the people calibrate over 200 and 50% below 200, so half the people are integrous and half are not. In the world at large, 85% calibrate below 200 and only 15% above 200. So in the evolutionary sense, it’s sort of a rudimentary planet.

 

MK: How would you define integrity?

DH: Integrity is alignment with truth.

 

MK: But isn’t truth based on context?

DH: Yes. We define truth – for the first time in human history – as content within context. The context is a proximate field, but both the content and the context are within an infinite field of consciousness itself, so you can’t state truth without stating context.

 

MK: You stated that individuals with a higher calibration have a disproportionate influence on the calibration of the whole.

DH: Yes, the 15% over 200 counterbalance the 85% under 200, because they have power, and below that is force.

 

MK: When one is faced with force, what is the higher level reaction? Take Iraq for example. Do we support war or peace?

DH: Yes, I have friends who had family members blown up on 9/11. Sometimes to support peace you have to make war – have a little war to prevent a big war. That’s called triage. I was in WWII, so we understand triage. That means you sacrifice a certain number of combatants on this side to save the life of many millions.

 

MK: So how does that relate to your premise that operating through expediency –the end justifying the means – sows confusion in society? How do we get a proper perspective?

DH: Usually the situation is much more complicated. Usually society gives a political knee-jerk reaction without any comprehension of the basic underlying issues. For instance the country doesn’t understand the basic ideological foundation of what they call Militant Islamic Triumphalism, and its historic origins, and its philosophic basis, and its alignment around the world, and how the distortion of the Koran came about, and who distorted it and when. So to understand the current situation, you have to understand the impact of Wahabism, and then you have to understand the philosophic force propelled by a philosopher named Kutub who gave the contextualization that terrorism is a holy act. Now that you’ve completely perverted a religion into practically its opposite, it then hides behind religion, and it’s nothing but militant fascism with a whole new decorative color. We saw it in Hitler as Nationalism. All these things are malignant. If you calibrate them you’ll find that Wahabism calibrates at an incredible 30; bin Laden calibrates at 60 and Militant Islamic Triumphalism calibrates at about 80.

 

MK: What did the Crusades calibrate at?

DH: I never calibrated the Crusades, but they are just like any religious wars. You see, the founders of the original religions taught pure spirituality, and then it was interpreted by man’s ego. If man understood what was said, we would have world peace. Instead they began to look for differences and ownership and claims to exclusivity, and so religion as compared to spirituality became divisive instead of unifying. And that’s why I believe in spirituality, because spirituality emphasizes what is common to all and unifies. That’s why I say in the book that religion divides and spirituality unifies; that’s why I look for the spiritual truth behind each religion.

 

MK: Given the high calibration of America, do you think we are leading the way in a new form of universal spirituality?

DH: It’s the dominant culture in the world. As I say, 421 means intelligence, intellect, logic, science, reason, ethics, morality, responsibility. It’s a pretty high calibration; 421 is pretty advanced.

 

MK: How do we move this spirituality from the heart and intellect into manifestation, if we are to save our planet?

DH: Well, everyone does their part. The collective consciousness of mankind is a composite of the spiritual intention of everyone. So being the most kind, loving, forgiving person you can be is already lifting the overall level of consciousness, and, like the ocean, as it rises it lifts all the ships afloat. So to be the most spiritually aligned person you can be is actually doing what you can do for the planet and for humanity in general.

 

MK: It is sometimes hard to remain balanced and grounded when you look at the negativity and destruction around you, yet you sound actually quite optimistic.

DH: Well the evolution of consciousness of mankind has been constantly upward. And you know we’re only temporary residents on this planet. This is not our ultimate destiny. So this is only to me a training ground, a school, a jumping off place…to me the planet is a staging area for mankind.

 

MK: You say that there is a basic inner decision that allows one to have inner peace, despite all obstacles. What would that be?

DH: Surrendering everything to God as you envision it, and realizing that the way you see it is only perception, and asking God to reveal the truth to you. In a way it’s like doing the Course in Miracles.

 

MK: Do you see our consciousness as being an extension of God, or do you view God as being something transcendent and somehow external?

DH: No, the God of my familiarity is intrinsic. The realization of the source of one’s own existence is knowable as the subjectivity of awareness consciousness itself, and you begin to realize that your consciousness is not personal. Otherwise you could turn it on and off if you wanted to. The presence within – that is the source of one’s own existence, the realization of God immanent. God transcendent can’t really be known by people. They can only talk about it. They try to make him up there in heaven, or back there in history, as though you’re separated from God. Inasmuch as God is omnipresent, that’s not even a possibility.

 

MK: That brings us back to truth versus falsehood. How do we get perspective? Can you give us a little preview of your book?

DH: The thrust of the work is to first identify the nature of the ego, how it arose over evolutionary time, and what its structure is. And by looking at the structure, you see why the mind, in and of itself, is unable to comprehend and tell truth from falsehood. Descartes pointed out the reason centuries ago – that the mind is one thing, and the world, and nature and reality are another. And that man presumes that how he sees it within his mentation is how it is in the world. So how to transcend this is by transcending the ego. That means to let go of positionalities because they create a dualistic view of the world. Enlightenment is merely the consequence of transcending duality, in which the total oneness of everything and its divinity shines forth with very stunning clarity. Stunning enough to take you out of the world for some years, I’ll tell you.

 

MK: Sounds like a personal comment.

DH: True. But all people are looking for the core essence of truth that is meaningful to them and that they can apply to their life. So I say that the way to do it to turn everything over to God and to be as loving towards everything and everyone, including yourself, and you don’t have to worry about the result. [laughs]

 

Dr. David R. Hawkins is a nationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher and lecturer. He is the author of the acclaimed trilogy: Power vs. Force, The Eye of the I, and I, Reality & Subjectivity. He co-authored an earlier book, Orthomolecular Psychiatry with Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling. His research is outlined in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in the World.  His latest book, Truth vs Falsehood, is due out in the fall of 2004. His website is www.veritaspub.com.

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