September/October 2003 Featured Stories
Agent of Evolution
Interview with Barbara Marx Hubbard
by Miriam Knight
Barbara, you are the founder of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution
and someone Buckminster Fuller called "the best informed human
now alive regarding Futurism", so it is not surprising that Neale
Donald Walsh invited you to give the keynote address at the recent Humanitys
Team Gathering in Portland. How does Neales vision for Humanitys
Team compare with your vision for the conscious evolution of society?
BMH - I see them aiming in exactly the same direction. I see that we
have different functions toward the same goal. Our function has been
to provide an evolutionary context and a developmental path toward the
next stage of evolution that includes the best of the teachers and thinkers
now transforming our world. Evolve [the online Global Community Center
for the Foundation] offers a site for all these different groups to
find a greater connection with each other for the common goal of the
transformation of humanity.
I would say ours is an educational and synergistic process, whereas
Neale has a skill, first of all, of calling people together like
the 1200 people (at Humanitys Team). The fact that he was able
to write books that have so deeply touched so many people, has allowed
him to call people together and catalyze this movement for a more positive
future. By providing the inspiration for leadership for what millions
of people have been working on, he can catalyze the larger movement.
I also think that his emphasis on a new spirituality is really the
essence of it. Getting rid of old beliefs that inhibit us and developing
a new spirituality and a view of God and life that supports the emergence
of the co-creative species is absolutely essential. And I feel in real
partnership with him on this initiative.
MK- How do you see this partnership with Neale evolving?
BMH - Well I could see that what were offering through Evolve
and Gateway will be a great support for Humanitys Team. Although
Neale has his teaching through the Conversations With God books,
theres a lot more thats needed for people to come together
at the local level and reach out to their community. And much of that
is teaching, which is what we are about, as well as tracking and mapping
whats emerging in all fields.
Neales focus is the New Spirituality, whereas in our Synergy
Center it is to identify leaders in every field that are coming from
a New Spirituality. Neale doesnt even begin to do that, although
he knows it needs to be done. So thats another level of partnership.
I also think some of the tools that Ive been working on over the
years, like how to form resonant cores, how to form synergistic convergences,
how to activate your deeper vocation and participate in the building
of community, will be very helpful to Neale.
MK- Can you expand a bit on what Evolve and the Gateway Program
BMH - Evolve is really a Community Center for the conscious evolution
of humanity, with emphasis on four elements. One is the Living School,
which has to do with identifying the teachers and innovators that are
healing our world. We turn that into an educational process that people
from all over the world can participate in, and, by finding each other,
build partnerships and teams to actually transform our world. And I
think thats a unique contribution, particularly since its
a developmental path, not only to deal with immediate problems, but
to lead to a quantum transformation on earth and in space. And we are
really at a cutting edge with Gateway; the Living School will have many
different teachers, all of whom contribute to the evolution of humanity.
Another is the Synergy Center, which is part of the educational program,
but which stands alone. It is a model of a "whole system shift".
We call it "12 around 1" model and the 12 represents the sectors
of society like health, education, environment, government, and so forth.
That process will identify key innovators and innovations in every field
that are transforming the world. It will become a tremendous body of
information of whats emergent and creative.
Those who would like to participate can check in and put their own
projects in, and see who else is doing what they would like to do, and
form a greater team. They will be learning from people who are leaders
in the emergent field that theyre part of, so I think its
actually a really great tool.
And then there is the section called "Communities" where
we want to identify and learn from the many efforts to form community,
particularly communities dedicated to self and social evolution. People
can put their profiles in there. They can find each other. Its
all about community building, really.
And finally theres a section called "Evolving Media"
to identify as many media as we can, radio and television, that are
evolving our world.
So the Gateway is a component of the larger Evolve, and anybody anywhere
in the world can register for Evolve. If they want to enter their profile,
they can pay a small fee. Evolve is a global tool. Gateway is an educational
program within Evolve. Evolve is seeking deeper partnerships with groups
like Humanitys Team, such that eventually Evolve will not be just
our initiative but will be a collective initiative. Thats our
MK- This brings us to the role of the Internet. I dont think
this connection would have been possible without it.
BMH - No. You know Im a person who came to the Internet late
in life and unwillingly, because I have been a book person. But what
I saw when I tried to think how to put my curriculum out into the world,
is that it had to be on the Internet, because its got so many
connections. If you tried to write a book with all those connections,
youd be trying to write the encyclopedia of the world. But with
the way Internet is designed, you can be connected to everything without
having to write these huge tomes; and its alive, because its
constantly self-editing and self-growing.
For my own use of the Internet for evolutionary education and co-creation,
its an indispensable tool! In the larger sense, I think its
the extended nervous system of the planetary body. And its available
to each individual to participate and therefore brings out the uniqueness
of everybody involved in their own evolution, because it gets rid of
all those gatekeepers that keep you out of the publishing world
keep you off the radio
that keep you off TV... Here it is available
Also its almost an infinitely malleable nervous system. If you
get into quantum computing and going up into the higher realms of what
computers themselves can become, then you see were dealing with
a new form of intelligence here, whether it ends up being silicon based
life or a tremendous extension of human intelligence, just when we need
I would also say that people like The Foundation for Human Evolution
are offering a contextual coherence whereby things can be mapped or
self-mapped according to the function that theyre playing, so
that you can get some sense of the higher pattern. Otherwise Internet
can be so much information that you can be overwhelmed by it. What we
hope to offer, because its developmental, is a certain coherence.
Weve seen a developmental path on a biological scale; weve
seen a developmental path on a planetary evolutionary scale from
the Big Bang through the formation of Earth, to life, animal life and
human life. What were adding to that is a developmental path for
our species from where it is currently in its crisis of overpopulation,
pollution, etc. to a future equal to our potential. We are enlarging
the developmental path to be seen as something that has coherence and
integrity, just as weve learned that cosmic evolution does, and
biological and even cultural evolution. But this is actually conscious
evolution of a species aware that it is affecting its own evolution,
and that it could render itself extinct or transformed. That is new.
You know, weve been evolving for billions of years, but there
has never been a species that knew that it could make itself extinct
by what it was doing. That is the biggest evolutionary wake-up call.
And once you get awakened, you say, "OK, where do I go to find
out?" We hope that Evolve and Gateway and the Living School can
be a place where you can go to see what people are finding out about
exactly how to evolve. There are no experts and no universities to consult
as to how a species evolves, and yet, its the biggest question
there is! All existing knowledge can serve it, but its not structured
to serve it. I see the evolutionary spiral as the spine of the new education,
and everything all the sciences contribute to the understanding
of the evolutionary process which is now becoming self-aware in us.
MK- So are you saying that the task of Gateway and Evolve is to
put some structure into the information available?
BMH - I wouldnt want to be so arrogant, but what we are doing
is offering a coherent structure within the Internet with as many linkages
within that coherent structure as we can find. I feel personally like
a map maker just before Columbus headed out. But he had a map that indicated
that he wasnt going to fall off the earth. Even though he didnt
know there was a continent there, the map was good enough for him to
dare to go!
I think were mapping what weve learned so far about how
we might evolve consciously. And we expect that the map is going to
continually improve. My dream is it would become sufficiently dynamic
that we could always be pulling in new information, becoming a tremendous
resource for how humanity can evolve.
MK- What about the vast majority of the planet that does not have
the skills or access to the Internet?
BMH - I think we have to start with the educating and connecting of
those who do, because they are the ones who have to help. You know,
if youve been given the privilege of an education and a certain
amount of freedom, that means that youre the one who has to go
help the others in some way. But you have to be educated to know what
Going back to Humanitys Team, Im very much excited by a
group of people who realize that the way were going is not working
30,000 children are starving every day! You have to go outside the box
to figure out how it could work, and thats why I love the idea
of Humanitys Team moving out of the box of what were currently
doing to think of some new way without discarding what works.
A lot is working, but its always the small scale; its usually
not connected, not funded and not communicated. Its like the body
is healthier than it actually looks, but you dont know it.
MK- How optimistic are you that the evolutionary curve is going
to cross the self-destructive curve before we do ourselves in?
BMH - Well I call myself not an optimist or a pessimist, but a potentialist.
A potentialist sees the potential of us making it and acts on that potential
as though it were possible. Thats extremely important, because
if you are just optimistic, then youll think "well its
going to work" and then youre not motivated. If youre
a pessimist, then youll think it wont work, and youre
also not motivated. But a potentialist sees the possibility and knows
that it will only happen if each of us acts on it.
You dont know for sure, but the knowing that its possible
makes it possible. Whatever your view is becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy,
so I am a potentialist. I am very aware that the image of the future
were going to have affects the future were going to create.
And it absolutely behooves us to use our imagination to envision the
future we want, and move towards creating it. I dont care how
bad the situation is, we still need to do that. I really think that
is very important.
MK- Thank you Barbara. I hope for humanitys sake that Evolve
is a great success.
Barbara Marx Hubbard is a world-renowned futurist, citizen diplomat,
social architect, and global politician. She is founder of the Center
for Conscious Evolution and a founding board member of The World Future
Society. She is the author of The Revelation: A Message of Hope
for the New Millennium and Conscious Evolution. For
more information about Evolve and the Gateway program go to www.evolve.org
or contact the Foundation for Conscious Evolution, P.O. Box 4698, Santa
Barbara, California 93140-4698.
Phone: 805-682-3222; Fax: 805-682-6795; E-Mail: email@example.com